Do we owe celebrities any privacy at all?

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  Drew _x1w ago

  I'm a former journalist and the thing that changed my mind on this wasn't any celebrity — it was watching a colleague justify publishing a grieving family photo because 'the victim was semifamous.' The logic expands. It always expands. Once you decide fame removes rights, you'll be surprised where that reasoning ends up.

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  Jordan R.1w ago

  Nobody talks about how the paparazzi industry is genuinely dangerous. High-speed chases. Stalking patterns published online. We had a literal princess die in a tunnel being pursued at speed and we STILL have this conversation as if it's abstract.

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  Morgan R.3d ago

  The framing of 'they chose this' collapses the moment you remember that a lot of child stars had zero choice. Grew up in the spotlight, never consented as adults, and we still act like the contract they 'signed' at age nine is binding forever. It's genuinely disturbing when you sit with it.

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    Reese 923d ago

    This is the angle that should end the conversation honestly. A kid actor at 10 chose nothing. The whole consent argument falls apart immediately.

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  Avery1w ago

  Okay but can we talk about how the fans who claim to love these people the most are often the ones doing the most violating? Showing up at their houses. Tracking their flights. It's obsession dressed up as admiration.

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  Hana M.4d ago

  I was a publicist for 11 years. The number of clients I watched have genuine mental breakdowns because they couldn't step outside without a lens pointed at them — and then got told by their own label to 'use it for press' — is not small. The industry chews people up and calls it success.

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    Elena4d ago

    With respect, publicists are also part of the machine feeding the beast. Hard to claim clean hands there.

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      Leo4d ago

      I mean sure, but "you were adjacent to a bad system" doesn't invalidate the actual testimony about human suffering? That's a weird deflection.

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  Feli1w ago

  I grew up next door to someone who became very famous in their 20s. Same person I rode bikes with as a kid. Watching the world decide they owned pieces of her was genuinely disturbing. She was my neighbor first. She wasn't a product.

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  Omar4d ago

  What actually bothers me is the medical stuff. A celebrity checks into rehab or gets a cancer diagnosis and within hours it's everywhere. That's not 'holding power accountable' — that's just cruelty dressed up as news. Medical privacy should be absolute regardless of fame.

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    Avery3d ago

    Disagree on the medical piece when it relates to their public duties. If an elected official or a CEO has a condition affecting their capacity to do the job, the public has a legitimate interest. For a pop singer? Yeah, none of our business.

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      Riley _x3d ago

      ok but we're mostly talking about entertainers here not politicians so this feels like a straw man

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  Marco S.1w ago

  There's a difference between public interest and what the public is interested in. A politician's voting record: public interest. A singer's miscarriage: what the public is nosy about. We keep confusing the two.

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  Noah 211w ago

  my sister works security at a hotel in LA and the stuff she sees done to celebrities just trying to eat breakfast... grown adults swarming someone who just wants scrambled eggs. we lost our minds as a society

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  Theo1w ago

  They signed up for attention, not for paparazzi chasing their kids to school. There's a difference between a public role and a private family, and we keep pretending there isn't.

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  Leo2d ago

  Counterpoint: privacy is not really about what you deserve, it's about what kind of society we want to be. Do we want to be the kind of people who think it's fine to photograph someone crying at a funeral because they once starred in a movie? That question answers itself.

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    Riley _x2d ago

    honestly this. we keep asking what celebrities deserve as if the more important question isn't what WE are becoming by consuming this stuff

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  Priya1w ago

  their kids definitely didn't sign up for anything and anyone who thinks otherwise can sit with that thought for a while

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  Diego4d ago

  The answer is yes, obviously yes, and the fact that this is even a debate tells you everything about how we've normalized stalking as long as the target is famous.

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    Quinn L.4d ago

    normalize? we've MONETIZED it. there's a whole economy built on watching people who don't want to be watched and we just call it entertainment

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  Jamie1w ago

  Medical information. Full stop. Whatever someone did to become famous, their health is nobody's business unless they choose to share it. I cannot believe we still debate this.

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  Omar _x1w ago

  the parasocial relationship thing is genuinely terrifying when you think about it. millions of people feel personally betrayed when a celebrity doesn't want to share their pregnancy. PERSONALLY BETRAYED. by someone they've never met. this is a mental health crisis not a celebrity rights debate

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  Theo5d ago

  We should probably start with the fact that the celebrity-industrial complex profits enormously from manufactured intimacy and then turns around and sells outrage when that intimacy gets violated. The magazines that run the paparazzi shots and the charities the celebrities fundraise at are sometimes literally owned by the same parent company. The whole thing is a performance about a performance.

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  Alex1w ago

  There's actually a legal framework for this in several European countries — France especially has robust 'droit à l'image' protections that apply even to public figures. The US treats fame as an implicit waiver of privacy, which is a cultural choice, not an inevitable law of nature.

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    Sam1w ago

    responding to the France point above — yes but France also has some of the most aggressive celebrity tabloid culture in Europe so clearly laws don't solve the appetite problem

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  Ravi 921d ago

  Nobody's actually answering the harder question which is: who enforces any of this? Laws vary wildly by country. Celebrities mostly can only sue after the damage is done. By then the photo has been seen 40 million times. The legal framework is decades behind the reality of how information spreads now and I don't see anyone seriously trying to fix it.

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  Avery1w ago

  Because athletes' bodies literally ARE their public performance. You're watching what they do with their body. A musician's uterus is not.

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  Liam2d ago

  There's also a class dimension nobody's mentioning. The celebrities who can actually enforce their privacy — gated compounds, legal teams, NDAs for everyone — are the ultra-wealthy A-listers. Mid-level fame with no money? You get all the exposure and none of the protection. Fame is not one thing.

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  Nina1w ago

  The argument that keeps getting missed: privacy isn't just about the individual celebrity. It's about the message we send to everyone considering public life. If fame means total surveillance forever, we will increasingly only get people who are either shameless or reckless willing to do it. The quality of public discourse suffers.

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  Avery1w ago

  Hard disagree with the whole framing here. "They chose fame" assumes every famous person had a fully informed, uncoerced choice at the moment they entered public life. A 19-year-old who signs a record deal has no idea what 20 years of intrusion feels like. That's not a contract, that's naivety.

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  Alex L.1w ago

  The 'they chose it' argument would mean a person can never make a choice that limits their future rights. You chose to become a teacher — does that mean parents can show up at your house whenever they want? Choosing a public-facing job isn't signing a blank check on your personhood.

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  Nina S.1w ago

  Genuine question for the 'no privacy ever' camp: does it end when they retire? When they die? Do their children inherit the exposure they never asked for? Where does it stop because I'd genuinely like to know

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  Quinn1w ago

  The industry argument cuts both ways though. Celebrities also use paparazzi. Tip them off to photo ops. 'Candid' airport shots that are anything but. You can't use the machine when it suits you and then pretend it's purely victimizing you.

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  Alex B.1w ago

  The moment you put your face on a billboard and ask me to care, you've made a transaction. My interest is part of the deal. You don't get to switch it off when it's inconvenient.

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  Riley1w ago

  Money doesn't buy away your right to bodily autonomy or mental health. You can be rich AND have your privacy violated. These aren't mutually exclusive. Rich people can be harmed.

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  Morgan K.6d ago

  I study media ethics and the concept of 'contextual integrity' is useful here — information flows appropriately when they match the norms of the context in which they were originally shared. A celebrity sharing their vacation on Instagram doesn't grant permission for a photographer to follow them on every future vacation. Context matters.

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  Jamie 211w ago

  Being interested in entertainment and demanding access to someone's bathroom at 6am are not the same thing and you know it

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  Riley1w ago

  I think the real question nobody is asking is: WHY do we want this access so badly? Like what hole are we trying to fill by knowing what some actor's kitchen looks like at 2am?

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  Zara2d ago

  I think there's a meaningful distinction between accountability journalism — finances, business practices, how they treat employees — and voyeurism dressed as journalism. The first one? Sure, public figures accept scrutiny of their public roles. The second? That's just a product being sold to lonely people who feel like they know someone famous.

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    Casey2d ago

    "sold to lonely people" is doing a lot of work there and feels a bit snobby. plenty of normal well-adjusted people are just curious about celebrities. curiosity isn't pathology

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      Drew 922d ago

      Curiosity is fine. Paying for photos taken with a telephoto lens through someone's bedroom window because you're curious is a different thing. There's a scale here.

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  Casey1w ago

  I asked my 12 year old about this and she said 'obviously they deserve privacy, they're just people.' Kids get it immediately. We train ourselves out of basic empathy somehow.

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  Kofi6d ago

  Because 'basic human decency' hasn't been enough to stop the behavior, which is exactly why we need the framework

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  Iris 211w ago

  counterpoint: teachers aren't paid 40 million dollars partly BECAUSE they're not that famous. the compensation reflects the exposure. so yes, actually, the math is different

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  Omar1w ago

  The hottest take I'll die on: the people most loudly demanding celebrity access are usually the ones least satisfied by their own lives. It's displacement, not curiosity.

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  Alex1w ago

  Fame is a spectrum. The lead actress in a global franchise is not the same as a local news anchor. We talk about 'celebrities' like it's one monolithic group but the level of public life they've accepted varies enormously.

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  Ravi1w ago

  I always find it interesting that we extend this privacy debate to actors and musicians but nobody ever talks about competitive athletes at the same level. A top footballer has his every physical measurement and injury discussed but that somehow feels more acceptable? Why?

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  Drew B.4d ago

  Hot take that will get me destroyed: most celebrities WANT the invasive coverage until they don't. The ones crying about paparazzi are often the same ones who called them when they were hungry for attention at 23. I have zero sympathy for the selective outrage.

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    Diego4d ago

    So your logic is that because someone once wanted attention, they forfeit the right to ever say stop? That's... not how consent works. At all. In any context.

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      Yuki4d ago

      the consent angle is exactly right and it frustrates me that people keep acting like agreeing to fame at 22 is some irrevocable lifetime contract. people change. circumstances change. you can want out.

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  Hana1w ago

  lol celebrities literally hire publicists to plant stories about their personal lives and then cry about privacy. come on.

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  Jordan L.1w ago

  That's a pretty bleak way to think about other human beings my dude

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  Ravi1w ago

  We created this. Every click on the invasive photo is a vote for more of it. Don't blame the paparazzi, check your own search history.

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  Avery6d ago

  This sounds very academic but also kind of obvious? Of course you don't get unlimited license from one Instagram post. Why do we need a formal theory for basic human decency

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  Priya M.1w ago

  You can't sell your whole life as a brand for millions and then claim privacy only on the unflattering days. Pick one.

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  Priya1w ago

  Respectfully your 12 year old also probably thinks the famous people she follows want her to know everything about them because those celebrities CHOSE to post it. That's a different conversation than paparazzi intrusion.

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  Sam1w ago

  Some do, some don't. Lumping all celebrities together on this is like saying all politicians are corrupt because some are. It doesn't hold.

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  Morgan1w ago

  Oh great, pathologizing people for being interested in entertainment. Very helpful contribution.

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  Avery1w ago

  Met someone famous having the worst day of their life in public, with strangers filming for clout. The cruelty was casual. They're people.

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  Drew K.1w ago

  nope. chose the life. deal with the attention. next question

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