Should social media have a hard minimum age of 16?

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  Omar1w ago

  I'm 15 and honestly? please do it. you have no idea what it's like in there. the adults debating this have never been a 13 year old girl watching her body get compared to someone's highlight reel at 2am. just make it stop.

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  Diego2w ago

  My son is 14 and autistic. Social media is genuinely his main social lifeline. He has friends across the country who share his interests and who he'd never have met otherwise. A blanket ban would isolate him in ways that would cause real harm. Policies that don't account for kids like him aren't child protection, they're blunt instruments.

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    Iris 922w ago

    This is such an important point and it keeps getting steamrolled. Neurodivergent kids, LGBTQ+ kids in unsupportive towns, chronically ill kids who can't easily socialize in person — social media serves a genuine protective function for specific vulnerable populations. 'Just go outside' isn't available to everyone.

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    Jamie 212w ago

    Respectfully, the same platforms providing community for your son are also serving pro-eating-disorder content to 12-year-old girls and radicalizing lonely boys. You can't protect your kid in isolation from a system. The system needs to change.

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      Feli2w ago

      Those are not mutually exclusive goals. You can change the system AND build in exceptions or protected pathways. The fact that we're debating it as all-or-nothing is a failure of policy imagination.

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  Omar3w ago

  I'm 15. Can we be included in this conversation at least? Everyone's debating what's good for us like we're furniture.

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    Diego3w ago

    Respect. You're right that the paternalism in this debate is real. That said — the fact that you articulated this so clearly is partly why the adults are worried. Not every 15-year-old has your self-awareness, and the platforms aren't designed for the ones who do.

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  Theo1w ago

  I pulled my kids off everything when they were 13 and 15. The first month they were furious. The second month they started reading again. The third month my 15-year-old said it was the best thing I ever did for her. I'm not saying ban it for everyone. I'm saying I don't regret it for a single second.

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  Diego3w ago

  My daughter came out to me on Instagram at 13 through a community she found there. That platform was a lifeline, not a danger. The 'protect all kids from everything' framing erases kids who need connection they can't find at home.

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    Liam3w ago

    I understand the sentiment but couldn't that community exist on a platform specifically designed for safety rather than engagement metrics? The issue isn't connection, it's the engine underneath it.

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      Hana3w ago

      Who's going to build this magical safe alternative and why would kids actually use it lol. 'Go use SafeKidChat instead of Snapchat' is not a realistic option.

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    Ravi 923w ago

    This is an incredibly important point and I wish it was front and center. LGBTQ+ youth, kids with disabilities, neurodivergent teens — online communities are sometimes the ONLY place they feel seen. A blanket age ban doesn't care about their needs.

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  Theo 212w ago

  I turn 16 next month and honestly... I kind of agree with the ban? I've watched my little sister spiral since she got Instagram at 11. But also I grew up on this stuff and I turned out mostly fine so I don't know. It's confusing to feel both things at once.

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    Casey2w ago

    The fact that you can hold two things at once and sit with the uncertainty makes you more intellectually honest than most adults in this comment section including me probably

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  Drew6d ago

  The real issue nobody wants to say out loud: this is about profit. These platforms monetize attention and children have the most capturable, least defended attention available. The age debate is downstream of a business model problem. Raise the age, change nothing about the model, and you've just shifted who gets exploited.

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  Avery3w ago

  I was severely bullied online at 13 and I'm 24 now and still in therapy for it. If a law had existed that might have kept me off those platforms at that age I genuinely don't know if I would have gone through what I did. That's all I have to say.

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    Liam M.3w ago

    Sending you a lot of respect for sharing that. I hope the therapy is helping.

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  Priya2w ago

  I work in a middle school. The amount of social media drama that spills into our hallways every single day is genuinely consuming. Kids crying in bathrooms, threats exchanged through DMs, identity rumors spreading at the speed of light. Teachers are now de facto social media counselors. The 16 limit would give us our schools back.

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    Omar S.2w ago

    I hear you on the drama, I was a teen not that long ago. But this predates smartphones too? Bullying, rumors, social cruelty — these aren't new. We're attributing ancient adolescent behavior to a new technology and pretending removing the technology removes the behavior.

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      Jamie2w ago

      The scale and permanence are completely different though. Pre-smartphone bullying went home with you when you left school. Now it follows kids into their bedrooms at midnight. It's never off. That's not just 'ancient behavior on a new platform,' that's a qualitative shift.

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        Alex2w ago

        This argument would work if parents were actually supervising. Most aren't, or can't. The 'supervised access' model assumes a level of parental engagement and tech literacy that's not evenly distributed. It's a middle-class solution.

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          Yuki2w ago

          No one said bad at parenting. The apps are specifically designed to circumvent parental oversight. Being a great parent doesn't protect you against a product that employs hundreds of UX engineers working 24/7 to keep your kid engaged. This isn't about parenting skill.

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            Jordan2w ago

            Why not both? These are not competing ideas. We can fund digital literacy AND restrict access. Why are people acting like one cancels the other out?

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  Avery1w ago

  The parental rights argument drives me absolutely insane. Yes, parents should have a say. But we also have seatbelt laws, child labor laws, mandatory education. Society has ALWAYS decided some things are too important to leave entirely to individual parents. Why is Instagram suddenly sacred parental territory?

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  Yuki1mo ago

  We age-restrict alcohol, driving, and voting because young brains aren't ready. But infinite-scroll dopamine engineered by PhDs? Sure, hand it to a 10-year-old.

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  Sam3w ago

  The real failure is we've been talking about this for a decade and done basically nothing. Pass something. Evaluate it. Adjust it. Waiting for a perfect policy while another cohort of 11-year-olds grows up inside these machines is its own choice, and it's not a neutral one.

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  Iris1mo ago

  I teach high school. The mental health crisis I see in my classroom is REAL and it accelerated hard around 2012-2013. Anyone who says social media isn't a factor has not been in a room with 30 fifteen-year-olds lately.

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    Jordan1mo ago

    Correlation isn't causation. Smartphones, economic anxiety, pandemic, climate doom — all happened in the same window. Blaming one app is too easy and probably wrong.

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      Zara K.1mo ago

      The correlation vs causation point is fair BUT we do have randomized and quasi-experimental studies now showing causal effects, not just correlation. The Haidt/Rausch 'Anxious Generation' critics raise real methodological concerns but dismissing all the evidence because 'correlation' is also intellectually lazy.

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  Priya3w ago

  The parent rights angle is a red herring. Parents already can't monitor everything — that's the whole design. These apps are engineered to be addictive and secretive. Saying 'parents should decide' is like saying parents should decide whether the slot machine in the living room is okay. The house always wins.

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  Alex6d ago

  Work in child psychiatry. The clinical picture from about 2012 onwards is stark. I don't need a randomized controlled trial to know what I'm seeing in intake interviews. When kids describe the exact same compulsive checking behaviors regardless of country, family background, or socioeconomic status, the common variable is obvious. This isn't complicated.

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  Noah3w ago

  governments legislating social media while literally doing nothing to regulate the algorithmic recommendation systems that are the ACTUAL problem. ban the algorithm. not the user.

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    Diego3w ago

    This. A thousand times this. Chronological feeds only. No recommended content. No autoplay. The harm isn't Facebook the harm is the slot machine they built inside it.

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  Marco2w ago

  Nobody is talking about WHY these companies specifically target younger users with engagement-maximizing algorithms. Because minors are more emotionally reactive and therefore more profitable per minute of screen time. That's not a side issue. That's the entire business model you're trying to regulate around.

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    Maya2w ago

    If we're serious about protecting kids we'd regulate the algorithmic design itself, not just access. A 17-year-old is still a developing brain. A 16 cutoff is arbitrary if the underlying manipulation stays identical.

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      Taylor2w ago

      Agreed but 'regulate the algorithm' is so much harder to enforce than 'verify the age.' Easier wins matter when you're trying to get anything through a legislature full of people who still think the internet is a series of tubes.

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        Nina2w ago

        Counterpoint: easier wins that don't solve the problem aren't wins. They're political cover that delays actual solutions.

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  Diego 924w ago

  The 'won't work so don't try' logic is genuinely one of the weakest arguments in policy. Seatbelt laws didn't have 100% compliance either. Still saved thousands of lives. Imperfect enforcement of a good rule is better than no rule.

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  Elena2w ago

  Hard 16 minimum. No exceptions. My opinion as a former child psychologist who spent 15 years watching what early social media exposure does to developing identity formation. The research is not ambiguous at this point regardless of what the platforms' commissioned studies say.

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    Sam2w ago

    "former child psychologist" sure buddy

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      Taylor L.2w ago

      Even if we can't verify credentials, the point stands on its own. Jonathan Haidt's work, Jean Twenge's longitudinal data — this isn't fringe stuff. The peer-reviewed literature on adolescent anxiety and smartphone/social media correlation is substantial. Dismiss it if you want, but you'd need actual counter-evidence, not just snark.

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  Iris B.6d ago

  My concern is the data infrastructure required to ENFORCE this. To verify someone is 16+, platforms need real identity documents. We're trading one harm (social media for kids) for another (massive biometric/identity databases owned by the same companies we don't trust). Has anyone thought this through?

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  Iris3w ago

  The thing nobody mentions: kids under 16 are a huge advertising demographic. Removing them from platforms costs these companies real money. Every 'this ban won't work' op-ed should come with a disclosure of who funded it.

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  Sam _x2w ago

  Age verification is the actual technical obstacle nobody wants to talk about. Either you do it properly with real ID checks — which creates a massive government database of who's using which platforms — or you do it badly and kids just lie. Both options are terrible in different ways.

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    Theo M.2w ago

    This. Everyone acting like age verification is just ticking a box. In practice it means platforms harvesting identity documents from hundreds of millions of people. The privacy implications of THAT are enormous and barely discussed.

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      Reese2w ago

      We already do age verification for pornography sites in several countries and the sky hasn't fallen. The 'surveillance nightmare' argument is overstated. Use a third-party age verifier that confirms age without passing actual identity data to the platform. It's solvable.

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        Hana2w ago

        lol age verification for porn sites doesn't work either fyi. any teenager with five minutes found seventeen workarounds before the ink was dry on those laws

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  Taylor _x2d ago

  I'm a teacher. Every year for 8 years I watched the dynamic in my classroom change. Not gradually — sharply, around 2016-17. Attention spans, group work, the ability to tolerate being wrong in front of peers. Something shifted. I have no controlled study. I have 150 kids a year for 8 years and I'm telling you something changed.

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  Kofi1w ago

  The irony is that many of the politicians loudest about this are the same ones who've spent years blocking comprehensive digital literacy education in schools. If you actually cared about kids online you'd fund the education, not just pass the ban and call it a day.

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    Jamie B.1w ago

    Because political bandwidth is finite. The ban absorbs all the energy and gets the press release and then nothing else happens. I've watched this cycle with drugs, with gambling, with TV. The restrictive policy passes, the harder structural work never does.

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      Liam1w ago

      The moral panic comparison is getting old. TV didn't track your location, harvest your biometric reactions, and use machine learning to maximize the time you spent in a triggered emotional state. The technology is genuinely different in kind not just degree.

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  Liam 926d ago

  "I don't need a randomized controlled trial" - bro you are literally a scientist saying you don't need science. correlation is not causation. kids also got smartphones around 2012. and experienced the 2008 recession's aftermath in their households. and had increasing academic pressure. pick your variable.

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  Riley1mo ago

  Hard no. I'm a parent. MY job is to decide what my kid can handle, not some politician who can't even work a smartphone.

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    Leo B.1mo ago

    The 'parents should decide' argument sounds great until you realize most parents have literally no idea what their 13-year-old is seeing at 2am. I work in child psychiatry. Trust me.

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  Leo3w ago

  okay but who decides what counts as 'social media'? youtube? reddit? discord where my kid does homework with classmates? the definitions in these bills are always vague enough to accidentally ban half the internet for teenagers

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    Casey3w ago

    This is a genuinely hard definitional problem and I don't think anyone pushing the legislation has seriously grappled with it. A blanket age-16 rule could capture everything from TikTok to a school message board depending on how 'social media' is defined in the statute. That's not a minor implementation detail, that's the whole ballgame.

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  Quinn 922d ago

  What frustrates me is that the 16 proposal doesn't touch YouTube, doesn't touch online gaming, doesn't touch Discord where a huge chunk of the actual predatory behavior and radicalization happens. We're banning TikTok dances while the actual harms skate right past. It's performative legislating.

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  Sam S.1w ago

  Genuine question for the people saying enforcement is impossible: we also can't perfectly enforce laws against theft, speeding, or underage drinking. We still have those laws. "Won't work 100%" is not the same as "not worth doing."

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    Diego L.1w ago

    okay but underage drinking laws actively REDUCE teen drinking, there's decades of data. where is the equivalent study showing age verification on apps reduces harm? because without that you're just vibes dressed up as policy

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  Priya R.2w ago

  Nope. Hard disagree with the whole framing. Banning kids from platforms doesn't make the platforms safe. It just means when kids inevitably access them — and they will — they're doing it without guidance, without oversight, without parents knowing. Supervised engagement is safer than forced underground engagement.

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    Drew2w ago

    So your solution is to assume all parents are bad at parenting? That's insulting to families who ARE involved.

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  Iris1w ago

  Can we talk about the gender disparity in this? The data consistently shows social media harm hitting girls disproportionately hard from about age 11-13. Boys show different patterns, later onset, different platform types. A blanket age-16 policy addresses neither group with any precision.

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  Maya L.1mo ago

  I was a teenager before social media. We found plenty of ways to be miserable and insecure without it. Let's not pretend the internet invented adolescent suffering.

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    Alex1mo ago

    Sure but the SCALE is different now. Before, a girl might be bullied by 20 kids she knew. Now it's 200 strangers telling her she's ugly anonymously 24/7. Same suffering, exponentially amplified. That matters.

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  Sam T.6d ago

  THIS. thank you. everyone is so focused on the age number that nobody's asking what verification actually requires. your 17 year old's passport scan sitting in Meta's servers is not the protection you think it is.

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  Yuki M.1w ago

  I'm 52. When I was a teenager we were terrified TV was rotting kids' brains. Then video games. Then the internet generally. Now social media specifically. Each generation manufactures a new moral panic about new technology. Some of us are old enough to have watched this cycle multiple times and retain a little skepticism.

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    Sam1w ago

    Exactly this. The 'every generation panics about new tech' dismissal was lazy when it was applied to social media 10 years ago and it's worse now that we have actual longitudinal data. We aren't predicting harm anymore. We're observing it.

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      Avery1w ago

      This is one of the most genuinely underexplored dimensions of this debate and you're right that the blunt instrument doesn't capture it. Though I'd still take a blunt instrument over nothing while we wait for a scalpel.

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        Alex1w ago

        This is lovely and also completely useless as policy evidence. Anecdotes of kids who thrived offline don't address the structural question of how to protect the kids whose parents won't or can't make that choice.

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  Riley1mo ago

  Every kid will be on it through a VPN in a week. Bans feel good and do nothing except push it underground where you can't even watch.

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  Drew R.6d ago

  the nostalgia for pre-internet childhood from people who grew up pre-internet childhood is so exhausting. you also didn't have to navigate job markets, remote schooling, social coordination, or college apps that now ALL run through digital platforms. kids today aren't just scrolling for fun, they're operating in a world that requires this infrastructure

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  Quinn1mo ago

  My son is 14. Straight A student. Uses YouTube to learn guitar and follow astronomy channels. You want to take that from him because some kids can't handle TikTok? Come on.

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    Quinn M.1mo ago

    YouTube isn't TikTok. The infinite algorithmic rabbit hole engineered specifically to maximize time-on-app is the problem. If your son is actively searching guitar tutorials that's genuinely different from being fed content by an algorithm optimizing for emotional arousal.

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  Theo3w ago

  The companies will just move to a 'parental consent' model like COPPA did for under-13s. We've seen how that works. Basically nothing changes, they tick a legal checkbox, and kids are on it anyway.

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    Hana K.3w ago

    What about the kids who live with abusive parents? Requiring parental sign-off for internet access can literally cut off their only outside connection. Policy people never think about these edge cases.

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  Yuki4w ago

  I genuinely don't know which side I'm on. I want to protect kids. I also know bans rarely work as intended and often create worse underground dynamics. Can I be in the 'I'm not sure and that should be ok' camp?

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  Zara1mo ago

  Watched my niece go from happy to anxious wreck at 12 because of these apps. If 16 saves even some of them, do it yesterday.

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  Marco _x6d ago

  16 feels arbitrary honestly. Some 14 year olds are more emotionally mature than some 22 year olds I know. The number is a proxy for something we can't actually measure at scale, which is developmental readiness. It's imperfect and I still support it because imperfect beats nothing.

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  Diego3w ago

  ngl the 'ban it to protect kids' crowd and the 'ban it because China' crowd have made very strange political bedfellows and i'm not sure either of them should be trusted to write this legislation

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  Noah L.1d ago

  So because we can't solve everything we shouldn't solve anything? That logic would have stopped every incremental public health improvement in history. Start somewhere. Refine. The alternative you're implying is permanent paralysis.

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  Noah1mo ago

  Honestly this whole debate is about TikTok and Instagram and everyone keeps dancing around it. Just say the names.

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  Feli L.1mo ago

  16 is when I started driving a two-ton machine at 70mph. If we trust teenagers with that we can trust them with Instagram. This whole moral panic feels Victorian.

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    Zara4w ago

    We actually don't trust teens fully with cars — supervised hours, restricted licenses, passengers banned for the first year. We CONSTANTLY modulate risk with age. That's not Victorian, that's called policy.

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  Priya1w ago

  counterpoint: who raised the generation of adults running these platforms and passing these laws? parents. maybe the problem is further upstream than tiktok

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  Kofi3w ago

  Hot take: this is less about child safety and more about governments wanting a precedent to control platform access for adults next. The kids are the sympathetic entry point.

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    Marco3w ago

    I actually started going down this rabbit hole and... no. Australia and the UK legislators pushing this are from completely different political traditions with different motivations. Slapping a single conspiratorial explanation on it doesn't hold up to five minutes of scrutiny.

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  Hana1mo ago

  ok but who decided 16 specifically?? why not 15 or 17? feels completely arbitrary

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    Omar 211mo ago

    16 aligns with a lot of existing developmental research on prefrontal cortex maturation and impulse regulation. It's not arbitrary — it tracks with the age at which longitudinal studies show self-regulation starts to become more consistent. Not perfect, but not random either.

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  Yuki T.1mo ago

  enforcement is the real question nobody's answering. what exactly stops a 14 yr old from lying about their birthday? they already do it. every single one of them.

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    Priya K.1mo ago

    Age verification that actually works requires ID. ID verification requires data collection. Data collection on minors is exactly what we're trying to prevent. It's a beautiful circle of madness.

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      Drew R.1mo ago

      ^ this is the smartest thing in this whole thread and nobody's talking about it

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  Feli T.6d ago

  grew up without internet until i was about 17. not because of a law, just because it wasn't there yet. can confirm: did not die. made actual friends. read books. got bored in ways that turned out to be incredibly productive. boredom is underrated and we've engineered it out of childhood

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  Jamie M.1mo ago

  The companies fighting this hardest are the ones whose own executives don't let their kids near it. That should end the debate.

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