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Movies & TV6d ago · 36 comments

Andor Season 2 is being called the best Star Wars content ever made — undeniable masterpiece or are people just relieved Disney finally made something serious?

With Andor Season 2 dropping to near-universal praise and people calling it the best thing Star Wars has produced in decades, the debate is heating up: is this genuinely all-time great television, or are fans grading on a massive curve after years of disappointing Disney+ content? And does one great show redeem the franchise, or is it an outlier that makes everything else look worse by comparison?

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  • Jamie5d ago

    The Rogue One prequel premise sounded so unnecessary when it was announced. I was furious they were making it. I owe Tony Gilroy an apology and probably also a fruit basket.

  • Iris5d ago

    hot take but Luthen Rael is the greatest character in the entire Star Wars canon. not top 5. number one. that monologue in season 1 where he describes what he's sacrificed for the rebellion is the single best piece of writing Star Wars has ever produced. fight me

  • Casey3d ago

    The show understands something the films kept forgetting: the most terrifying thing about authoritarianism isn't the stormtroopers. It's the middle managers. The accountants. The HR departments of empire. That's what makes it so resonant right now specifically.

  • Sam T.6d ago

    I've been a Star Wars fan since I was literally 5 years old watching A New Hope on VHS at my grandma's house. I'm 41 now. Andor is the first time in probably 20 years that I've felt the same way I felt watching those films as a kid. It's not nostalgia bait. It's not fan service. It's just... good television. Like legitimately good television that would stand on its own even without the Star Wars name attached.

  • Yuki L.4d ago

    lol at people who skipped it because they were 'Star Wars fatigued' and are now watching it all in one weekend catching feelings. you know who you are

  • Alex4d ago

    Can we also talk about how Andor proves that Disney CAN make good Star Wars when they hire actual filmmakers with actual vision and actually leave them alone? Which means every bad thing they've made was a choice. A deliberate choice. That's almost more damning than if they just didn't know how.

  • Iris3d ago

    i cried twice in episode 8 and im a 27 year old man who did not cry at his own grandmother's funeral. draw your own conclusions

  • Maya5d ago

    The people saying 'grading on a curve' have just decided their cynicism is more sophisticated than enthusiasm. Sometimes something is actually just good. Revolutionary concept I know.

  • Taylor3d ago

    What's remarkable is that we know how it ends. We've seen Rogue One. Cassian dies. Everyone dies. And yet I'm on the edge of my seat every single episode. That's masterful construction of dramatic tension when the audience already knows the destination.

  • Sam5d ago

    My husband and I watched the first three episodes of Season 2 back to back on a Tuesday night and we both called in sick Wednesday. We never do that. We're in our late 30s with two kids and we just... couldn't stop. That hasn't happened to me since Breaking Bad.

  • Morgan4d ago

    Diego Luna has been a great actor for years and nobody in America was giving him his flowers. Andor fixed that. Whatever else you think about the show at least that's true.

  • Jordan5d ago

    It is genuinely the best Star Wars ever made and I will die on this hill. The Holiday Special defenders can come at me.

  • Zara3d ago

    Comparing it to The Wire is not hyperbole and I will not be accepting further questions at this time.

  • Quinn T.6d ago

    Grading on a curve. Full stop. If this exact show came out under a different IP nobody would be calling it the greatest sci-fi drama ever made. It's very good. Maybe an 8/10. The bar for Star Wars is just so underground right now that anything competent feels like a masterpiece.

  • Casey _x4d ago

    my book club has been watching it together instead of reading our book this month and not a single person has complained. that's four women between 44 and 61 none of whom have seen more than one Star Wars movie between them. it just works as television

  • Nina3d ago

    masterpiece or not the ending is gonna hit different knowing diego luna fought to get this show made and tony gilroy basically had to battle the studio the whole way through. sometimes art is better because the people making it had to fight for it

  • Reese S.5d ago

    What gets me is how adult it is. Not adult like violence and cursing but adult like — it treats the audience as intelligent people who can sit with ambiguity. Cassian isn't a hero for most of it. He's a guy making survivable choices in an unsurvivable situation. That's real writing.

  • Liam4d ago

    I genuinely think Tony Gilroy watches the Star Wars sequels and has quietly been making a show that is an implicit critique of everything they did wrong. The sequels forgot what the Rebellion actually cost people. Andor never lets you forget. Not for a single episode.

  • Leo3d ago

    okay the 'grading on a curve' people need to actually engage with WHY the show is considered great instead of just assuming the praise is a reaction to bad stuff. the writing is technically excellent. the structure is excellent. the performances are excellent. it's not just 'wow it's not the Acolyte'

  • Nina L.5d ago

    The music alone deserves an Emmy. Nicholas Britell doing for Star Wars what he did for Succession and Moonlight. That's not a small thing.

  • Jamie4d ago

    Cassian Andor is a more complete and interesting protagonist than Luke Skywalker ever was. That's not an insult to Luke. It's just true. Luke is a mythic archetype. Cassian is a human being. Different tools, different jobs. But as a character to actually follow through a story, Cassian wins.

  • Taylor M.3d ago

    The fact that this is on Disney+ and not HBO is the biggest upset in prestige TV since Breaking Bad aired on AMC. Nobody expected either of those networks to produce that caliber of storytelling. Sometimes the platform doesn't predict the product.

  • Marco6d ago

    ok but the Coruscant political scenes??? the way they show the Empire just slowly suffocating democracy through bureaucracy and paperwork and people CHOOSING to look away?? that's not just good star wars that's genuinely one of the most relevant pieces of political storytelling i've seen in years. it hits different in 2025

  • Taylor3d ago

    I'm about 40% through season 2 and I genuinely have to take breaks because it's emotionally exhausting in the best possible way. Like I need to go outside and touch grass after some episodes. That's not a criticism. That's what great drama does to you.

  • Avery L.4d ago

    I work in television production (not on this show) and the craft on display is genuinely exceptional even by non-Star Wars standards. The production design, the cinematography, the editorial choices. This is prestige television operating at the very top of its range. The discourse is not inflated.

  • Elena5d ago

    Honest question: if you remove the Star Wars branding and change the character names, does this get renewed for a second season on streaming? Probably not. Good show. Best of Star Wars? Maybe. But let's not pretend the brand recognition isn't doing heavy lifting here for the discourse.

  • Alex5d ago

    I showed my mom who hasn't seen a single Star Wars movie or show and she was hooked by episode 2. She kept asking me who the Emperor was and I kept explaining and she kept saying 'I don't need to know all that, this show is good on its own.' That tells you everything.

  • Leo3d ago

    Fiona Shaw and Stellan Skarsgård are doing career-best work in this and they have had remarkable careers. That should be the headline but Diego Luna keeps stealing the show every time they share a scene. It's an embarrassment of riches.

  • Maya4d ago

    andor has made me sadder than any piece of star wars content has ever made me and i was 9 when order 66 happened in theaters so that's saying something

  • Omar3d ago

    Best Star Wars ever made? Genuinely yes and I've been saying this since season 1 and people argued with me then too. Some of us were right early. We deserve acknowledgment.

  • Reese5d ago

    disagree actually. empire strikes back exists and remains untouched. andor is phenomenal tv but cinema and prestige TV are different art forms and comparing them is apples and oranges. ESB changed filmmaking. andor is great prestige tv. those aren't the same achievement

  • Taylor M.3d ago

    It's great. I said that. But 'redeems the franchise' is doing too much work. One great show doesn't undo the sequels. It just means Andor is great. The franchise still has a massive identity problem that one Tony Gilroy show can't solve.

  • Diego5d ago

    people keep saying this but andor season 1 already proved the show was exceptional before season 2 even aired. this isn't a surprise. tony gilroy has been a great filmmaker for decades. the surprise would have been if he DIDN'T deliver

  • Theo4d ago

    The problem with calling it the best Star Wars ever is you're competing with something that is fundamentally part of the cultural DNA of billions of people. Statistically impossible to surpass the original trilogy's impact no matter how good the writing is. It's like saying a new painting is better than the Mona Lisa. Technically maybe. Culturally? No.

  • Avery4d ago

    The political allegory is a bit on the nose at times if I'm being real. I get it. Authoritarianism bad. Complicity bad. But some of the dialogue feels like it was written to be quoted in think pieces rather than to sound like how actual characters talk to each other.

  • Kofi 215d ago

    Season 2 lost me a little in the middle section honestly. It's still good but there are two episodes that feel like they're spinning wheels. The finale redeems it but I don't think it's a perfect season the way some people are saying. Very good. Not flawless.

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